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Halinda

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Hi everyone ! Ok so I'm after some advice and hopefully a solution . I have a triple keeled halcyon 23 with awful weatherhelm  even in light winds ! Firstly the mast is bolt upright and the step is slightly forward of the cap shrouds , the main looks to have been cut down as its very flat and doesn't reach either the top of the mast or the end of the boom.
The rudder looks pretty good too ! Any ideas ??????

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Bert

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I don't get weather helm on mine till force 4 then it is barely noticeable. My main is the original and setsuch the same as you described
The mast is set on the second hole from aft on the plate and when my Genoa set for reaching the foot is in line with the back of the mast. Sounds to me like you need to move your COE forward by moving your mast or increase the area of your foresail. Hope this is helpful. Bert
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What size genny are you flying? I had a fully battened sail made and the biggest genny I could get, big mistake , I do use the roller reeling but the weather helm was difficult to cope with, so I replaced the triple keel with a single keel now no problems
Halinda

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Cheers for the responses guys , Bert i wasnt aware there were settings for moving the mast! certainly doesnt look like there is on mine but then maybe im missing something .
I have had my Genoa reduced to 130% from 150 as it looked like a huge sack but to be honest its not made a whole lot of difference ! Simon

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Bert

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Mine is a mk 3, perhaps yours doesn't have the ability to move the mast or you can't see the holes. Have you tried reduced main with full fore sail, ie put a reef in mainsail to move the mainsail CE forward, it may give you a starting point. Also it may sound daft but a nose heavy boat will create weather helm, failing all the above a trip to your local sail maker and rigger may be helpful
Halinda

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Mine is also a MK3 but i think my mast foot is different and cannot be moved ! Its better when the main is reefed but to be honest i should be able to carry full sail in a f2/3 without 20 degrees of helm .
The boat is trimmed nearly as good as you could ask for certainly not heavy in the bow , my local sail maker and rigger sail together and have both looked at the boat and sails but could see nothing wrong [confused][confused]
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Bert

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Well I also am at a loss for a solution
Halinda

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I know the feeling , there must be some logical explanation i dont believe it been like this for 40 years !
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Bert

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Clutching at straws, is it the same on both tacks? Is it possible one of your bilge plates is twisted
Halinda

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Identical on both tacks ! the only thing i have noticed is the waterline is 6 inches above the water so maybe she is light making her heel far more . Also she was reengined with a volvo 30kg heavier than oem
and almost 14" forward possibly making the stern light under power .... i dunno im also clutching at straws

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Bert

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Possible, maybe a few sandbags and try it, 14 inches is a long way further forward, that may be enough yo upset the balance. Let me know how things progress please because I'm interested in the reason and hopefully eventual cure, ( always optimistic lol) . Bert.
Halinda

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Didnt work ! but then i never thought it would [frown]
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Bert

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Oh, what now? E bay perhaps lol. Its a real puzzle, like you said it can't of always been like it.
Halinda

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Well all is not lost yet Bert , Turns out theres 3 sail plans for the 23 ! i need to measure my main but before that i have a few things to try courtesy of my local sail maker . He suggests that the roach maybe a bit large and combined with the sheeting angle
(straight down ) this could be my issue ! If the leech is tightened  with a large roach it could hook the leach making the air exit to windward thus turning the boat upwind [wink]

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Bert

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Ah yes, I see what you are saying, let me know how things turn out, I hope it works for you
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